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    • Abuzing Participant
      March 20, 2017 at 9:48 am #5442

      We have seen gameplay videos of how the healthbars, inventory, and party/raid frames look.

      I am not impressed at how “finished” the interface feels, and I know its only alpha but I hope they dont make it feel like a solo player console game because it looks like one now.

      Enemy target/health bar looks pretty bad and you cannot adjust it’s placement on the screen. Also, party/raid frames do not show debuffs or mana information. The simplicity feels like a mobile/console game tbh.

      How about the inventory interface which cuts-screen like a “pause” menu. This is an mmo you need to be able to view your surroundings as you have the inventory open. Basically you are at risk of a player surprising and killing you everytime you open your inventory.

      You claim this is a PvP based game so I strongly urge you to learn from what Blizzard got right with their targetting interface in WoW. Ashes of Creation seems like a very good idea with well-thought out mechanics to the open world and multi-classes dynamics. The interface just feels very plain and primitive. The map looks awful as well, please fix this before release!

      I would like to play a game that has a practical and clean interface that takes into account different PvP scenarios like healing/dpsing/debuffing/crowd control/focus targets/objects(health). Animations aren’t enough we will need detailed information on the interface that allows us PvPers to respond to those scenarios I listed.

    • Silv Participant
      March 20, 2017 at 9:53 am #5443

      Those are all just placeholders, bud, while they work on the actual UI.

    • Aggelos Participant
      March 20, 2017 at 10:57 am #5449

      All of the UI is a placeholder at the moment.

      I know one of the things I spoke of on my last podcast when discussing Ashes of Creation and their world of consequence article was that the flanglers would only work as a trap if they handled the UI and nameplates better such as “hidden” monsters not have name plates until they aggroed.

      To the point of eSPORT PvP, I wouldn’t bet on ANY MMORPG having that kind of following. The only reason that World of Warcraft did is because Blizzard as a whole funded the majority of the tournaments. That is the one and ONLY reason that there is even a presence of WoW in the eSPORT arena and even less of that since BLizzard is now focusing more on Overwatch. I wouldn’t count on ANY MMO being something eSPORT worthy again because the type of play required to be an MMO isn’t conducive to the eSPORT arena nor should it be. Leave it to the MOBAs and FPS games for that.

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    • Grisu Participant
      March 20, 2017 at 11:58 am #5456

      This is the reason why being open in development can suck so much.

      They say it again and again that this is just a placeholder, that they don’t(didn’t) have an UI artist yet.
      This is pre-alpha, the state where nothing is set yet, and already people act like this is the final product we will recieve.

      There are at least 5 Forumtopics about the UI already, all saying it sucks. Of course it sucks, it’s just a visual placeholder nothing more.

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    • Aggelos Participant
      March 21, 2017 at 8:16 am #5506

      [quote quote=5456]This is the reason why being open in development can suck so much.

      They say it again and again that this is just a placeholder, that they don’t(didn’t) have an UI artist yet.
      This is pre-alpha, the state where nothing is set yet, and already people act like this is the final product we will recieve.

      There are at least 5 Forumtopics about the UI already, all saying it sucks. Of course it sucks, it’s just a visual placeholder nothing more.


      Exactly! UI is one of the last things that ever gets tweaked anyway. I have been in a TON of alphas in my day and LONG before it was this pay to get into alpha stuff. Dark Age of Camelot, World of Warcraft, Rift, The Elder Scrolls Online, to name a few and I will tell you those GUI looked nothing like the final product but in such early stages of testing that is the least of your worries. You need it functional and that’s it to test major systems and content. Even less so if they allow for modders to access the API and create their own GUI. At that point 90% of your playerbase wont use the stock GUI anyway.

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    • Jlovenpk1 Participant
      March 21, 2017 at 8:29 am #5508

      MMORPG and CyberSport = bad plan.

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    • sainTz Participant
      March 21, 2017 at 12:24 pm #5526

      To be honest the only way that AoC can be a e-sport in anyway is if the pvp is a closed off team based arena pvp. Also if you count how many mmorpgs have e-sport pvp there are almost none. They usually get where they are because they are being backed by a huge company. such as blizzard backed their pvp.

    • Vivec Participant
      March 22, 2017 at 1:36 am #5537

      I’d love to have lots of varying types of PvP in the game, but in my experience the more they try to cater to the eSports crowd, the more they ruin the PvP in the game.

      I hope they prioritize fun over perfect balance and seasonal PvP tournaments.

    • Helzbelz Participant
      March 22, 2017 at 5:42 am #5542

      Do not waste your time on eSPORTs they do not belong in MMORPGS and when MMORPGS focus on eSPORTS they screw up the game. Look at WOW and how they are so worried about Balance that everything else in the game gets screwed up just for the sake of the eSPORT.

      I been playing MMOs since 1998.  I tell things as I see them and if you dont like that tough.  corp por

    • Sarumonin Moderator
      March 26, 2017 at 10:23 am #5691

      At this point in time, I don’t think there’s any thought of eSports in the works. The team is working tirelessly to make sure the game is 100% in their vision. The UI is entirely placeholder, in fact most of what has been released is placeholder – like the names above the creatures, the font, the size, color, the UI system, placements, etc. Right now the focus is the core part of the game, which is the design along with mechanics. Remember, we’re still in Pre-Alpha and Alpha is slated to be in Q4 2017.

      Whether or not eSports is to come, that is a plan for after the game is polished and ready for the public, at least I would think 😛

    • Phantaram Participant
      March 27, 2017 at 2:45 am #5707

      I too, hope there can be an esport game with mmo combat someday. I don’t think an actual mmo should be the place to go for that and nothing seems to be coming up anytime soon that will fill that void. At best if you are fixated on mmo combat like I am you can join community ran tournaments that hopefully developers support. I honestly don’t doubt such a thing will exist in Ashes.

    • MrRosaPony Participant
      March 27, 2017 at 5:12 am #5711

      to get esports going all u ahve to do is setup tournaments sponsored by the company and streaming them as soon as twitch gets hooked u won so many players

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    • Wizard_Beard Participant
      March 27, 2017 at 10:58 am #5724

      ehh, would only work if balance was around group play and how classes benefited and helped each other. balancing classes in 1v1 for esport competition will end up destroying the group play as it always does. the only pvp oriented game i ever played that was worth it’s weight was warhammer online. It is an example of pvp balanced around groups. guess what…they shut it down a pretty good while ago. the problem is everyone thinks their class should be able to beat any other class if they have the appropriate gear and skill. This can’t occur in a group oriented social game. If want mmorpg style combat in a true esport condition i recommend finding some low end lobby queue solo type of mmo and try there.

      i’m not totally sure about the vision the creators have about this game but it seems they genuinely want to create something a grand, a changing growing world with more of an emphasis on player and interactions with each other and the environment. wasting time and resources on balancing things for competitive pvp would be money better spent in other places. we PvP’d all the time in EQ and EQ2, did it have class balance, heck no. but everyone had their job in a group and raid. most of the classes that were weak in pvp scenarios were most desired in group pve settings, no one i ever met had any issue with it. it created classism within the game. something to josh guildies about and poke around with each other. I was a shadowknight, i could kill everyone…everyone feared my class when it came to pvp night at the guild castle. some of the weakest classes were bards (troubadors and dirges) guess what though…people would fuss over who got to be in the good troub or dirge’s groups when it came to dungeon crawling or raid nights.

      i do believe there should be a little bit of balance between the classes but most of the focus around group play, tank’s shielding and protecting group mates, healers healing/debuffing, crowd control manipulating the battlefield and dps blowin stuff up….i’ve just been around to long and seen tooo many games go into balancing classes for pvp and seen it slowly decay the quality of the game till there was nothing left but a rotting carcass on the side of a dimly lit digital highway….happens time after time after time…doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity…

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    • Karthos Participant
      March 28, 2017 at 8:58 am #5772

      I would prefer we not taint this game by trying to push the “eSports” community onto it.

      For one simple reason. The Toxicity.

      Maybe I’m just a salty old man but what attracted me to MMOs in the 90’s was the community aspect of the game. Sure there were dicks but not on the level of garbage that is the “gg ez, u mad bro?” community we see from LoL, Dota2 and even Overwatch.

      You tack the label of “eSports” on a game and every bottom feeder and rage kiddie will come knocking. I had hoped this game was that mix of old school and innovative as to attract the community of players who remembers what the second “M” and “RP” mean in MMORPG.

      But again, I’m essentially old grouchy man whose realized that most games created now are not targeting my demographic anymore… 🙁

    • Thurl Participant
      March 28, 2017 at 1:45 pm #5783

      [quote quote=5508]MMORPG and CyberSport = bad plan.


      that is it !

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